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Humans are carnivores – get over it – and get well

Wise Traditions London 2010 – Barry Groves from Wise Traditions London on Vimeo.

An outstanding review. Everything you need to know about what we are meant to eat and why in half an hour.

Barry Groves shows how we adapted to a mainly meat diet – millions of years of ice age when there were few plants that we could have eaten – and the result. A large brain and a small gut.

Since the dawn of agriculture we have been shifting away from the food that we are best suited. Since 1980, and the advent of industrial food. we have made a dramatic shift away from fat and meat. And so have set up the epidemic that confronts us.

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  1. [...] Diese Fragen lasse ich Barry Groves, Phd beantworten, der einen sehr interessanten Vortrag bei der Wise Traditions London Konferenz 2010 gehalten hat. (gefunden auf The Missing Human Manual) [...]

  2. Humans are not “carnivores”. Humans are “omnivore scavenger”. Allan Savory explains why in his lecture called Keeping Cattle: cause or cure for climate crisis? He also explains why species extinctions have always followed humanity. Very complying stuff.
    http://eatkamloops.org/brittle-grassland-pasture-update-photo-essay/

    Have you had a chance to look at Dr Jack Kruse’s website?

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  4. [...] the information out there if you still believe that fats are unhealthy. Also we are carnivores. Humans are carnivores – get over it – and get well | The Missing Human Manual + Listen to the podcast by dr greg ellis, also a [...]

    • monster221 says:

      I tried the whole vegetarian thing once. my friend insisted we were herbivores. i read all this stuff. it made sense.

      so im hanging out with my friend and he asks “hows the vegetarian gig going” i said “good man miss the taste but its cool”. he asks me “are you taking a vitamin b12 supplement?” i said “no” and he says “you need to man, you are really going to dammage your body that way”.

      he goes on to say that your body needs it and it cannot be found in plants enough to keep you healthy. only meat.

      what kind of “humans natural diet” requires you to take pills? the vegetarian thing is hogwash.

      so i did some research. apparently from what is being learned, humans evolved early on in coastal areas rather than grasslands. we lived off of fruits (high calories) and fish (protein, vitamins). we do naturally eat meat, but that meat is fish. not cows.

      as we moved inland we needed to find a replacement for the fish and so started eating herbivorous animals. does the job but can cause digestive problems.

      i personally enjoy a steak from time to time. roast beef sandwiches. bacon. mmmmmm. but i dont overdo it. i got friends that get burgers “meat and cheese only”. to me thats disgusting.

      i try to constrain my meat intake with lots more vegetables than meat. and i eat a ton of fish. i really only eat meat at all because i work out and am building some muscle. its good but i could live without it. i cant go without fish though.

      people that eat meat, its cool. do it. people that dont, you have that luxury thanks to pills. do it.

      but dont run around acting like our history doesnt matter today. our history made us. and just so happens that while we are largely herbivorous, there are certain nutrients that we have to have meat for. or you can take your pills.

  5. Jason says:

    I have read many article written by ignorant, uninformed, propagandists about this issue of humans carnivorous lifestyles being outside what nature intended for us. One of the biggest misconceptions that they try to lead people astray with is “the digestive tracks of herbivores is 10 to 12 times the length of their bodies, and 3 to 6 times for carnivores. Humans digestive track is 10 to 12 times the length of the average human body. FACT! We are herbivores!” Ok people, simple math review for everyone. From mouth to anus, the human digestive track is 30 feet. the average human is 5.5 feet tall. 30/5.5=5.45….. Right in the pocket of carnivore…. Hmmmm. That is just simple math. But if you want more “facts” of humans and their place in the food chain, here it is. when prey, I mean herbivores, are born, they are born to walking and able to run for their lives. Carnivores, when born, are in need of care and protection by their fierce parents and community. Last I checked, Human babies were born pretty helpless. I never have seen a baby off and running right out of the womb. I am not on either side, but please don’t be mislead by writers of misleading and down-right wrong information!!!

    • may says:

      Humans are most definitely not carnivores. Humans cannot live solely on meat.

      Regardless of what we’re “designed” to be, many people are vegans/vegetarians on moral principals. At this point, I don’t believe humans are “supposed” to do anything. We have adapted to do many things we could not have done before (e.g. digest lactase after infancy) so our nutrition history is mostly irrelevant.

      One could make the case that we should reject factory farmed foods and completely hunt for our food, since that’s what ancient humans did.

      • homocarnivorus says:

        Humans can comfortably live on nothing but meat. Where did you get the idea that we can’t?

        • VOfReason says:

          Nital J is a beast for her comment

        • VOfReason says:

          Humans cannot live comfortably on only meat. that is the most ignorant/ uninformed/ ridiculous thing i have ever heard in my life.

          • robpatrob says:

            Not what was said

          • Daniel says:

            Nothing can live on just meat. Carnivores such as cats and such sometimes eat grass (small amounts) Humans original diet consist of 90% meat. We may not have claws or large teth, but we are born runners and the best in the animal kingdom. Original humans were from Africa where plants were not abundant. We would use our in born ability of running to run down our prey to exhaustion and eat it there. Humans are more likely to get food poisoning from raw plants than meat. All canivores no matter what have plants in their diets. Like I said even cats eat grass.

  6. Nital J. says:

    We’re not carnivores, we’re not omnivores, we are herbivores. The basic compelling case of anatomy aside, just take a look at every single major focus / group study ever done comparing populations eating animal-based foods vs. purely plant-based.

    Moreover, blows my mind that most people today think factory-farmed meat is the same thing as ‘normal’ meat. It’s not. And to those blind/indifferent to that fact, it is that apathy that is helping keep your blinders on.

    It’s no coincidence that, beyond taste, the food that is best for you is also what is best for the environment and our fellow animals.

    If you want to fundamentally question if we’re truly omnivorous/carnivorous (designed to eat meat), follow Gary Y’s advice and try some challenges with someone still in touch with natural human instincts – children. For example, put an apple and a bunny rabbit with a young kid. If the kid eats the rabbit and plays with the apple, it’s a carnivore.

    Doing things like eating factory farmed meat in moderation will never truly hurt you, but to pretend that we’re designed to do so or, worse, that it’s optimal for us to do so, is sheer ignorance. Wait a few more years til you see the explosion among athletes following purely plant-based diets. They narrow gaps and outperform their peers more quickly when they eat the way we were truly meant to: as herbivores.

    There’s no fault or right/wrong in any of this, some people were raised to believe we are carnivorous the same that some of us were raised from the opposite perspective.

    To believe either out of sheer behaviour and comfort is doing one’s brain a disservice.

    To all the skeptics: start looking at net-gain nutrition, read up more on medical science (startlingly clear and severe links between animal based diets and massive disease) and, finally, watch Gary Yourofsky’s youtube sometime. Informed arguments are better.

    • GC says:

      “Wait a few more years til you see the explosion among athletes following purely plant-based diets. They narrow gaps and outperform their peers more quickly when they eat the way we were truly meant to: as herbivores.”

      They supplement. All of them. Without exception. There is no such thing as a fully vegan athlete, and definitely none that will perform at the same level for more than a year or so without falling off that diet wagon. If you believe that they’ve operated in any other way, you’ve believed lies.

      How you were raised to believe is irrelevant. Belief has nothing to do with reality.

      I also challenge you to find a contributor to this site with fewer letters after his or her name than that Gary guy you refer to:

      Dr Charles Czeisler
      Dr Christopher Alexander
      Dr David Dinges
      Dr Doug Willms
      Dr J Fraser Mustard
      Dr Jonathan Shay
      Dr Mary Gordon
      Dr Megan Gunnar
      Dr Michael Rose
      Dr Norman Doidge
      Dr Richard Wrangham
      Dr Robert Lustig
      Dr Robert Putnam
      Dr Robert Sapolsky
      Dr Sarah B Hrdy
      Dr Staffan Lindeberg
      Dr’s Andrew Clarke and David Brown
      Gary Taubes
      Lierre Keith
      Michael Rose’s 55 Theses
      Prof Geert Hofstede
      Prof Robin Dunbar
      Sir Michael Marmot
      The Early Years for Children – Summary of Key Research
      Vitamin D Council

      The above list is pasted from the list to the right of this page.

      • robpatrob says:

        And your point abut Gary Taubes? Whose work has been to investigate the literature? If it is “No credential” it might worth recalling that that was the critique of Pasteur who was only a chemist and not a doctore

      • Nital J. says:

        GC,

        There are absolutely many vegan athletes. (See http://www.greatveganathletes.com/ sometime, for example). And every single one who does it right has seen an improvement in their performance. To just blurt out that ‘they all supplement’ is so ignorant it almost led me to just ignore the comment.

        It’s nice that you’re so certain without actually a) being accurate and b) relying on a list of random names instead of making your own basic argument – very persuasive.

        If you’re so convinced that there are no vegan athletes, go talk to Brendan Brazier and every olympic / high-performance athlete he’s helped coach in the past seven years.

        nj

        • Rob Paterson says:

          I am not claiming that there are no vegan athletes – My site here is about the broader issues of health

          • Nital J. says:

            That’s why that was a response to GC’s comments, robpatrob. I’ll address your comments soon and in a more diplomatic way, since you took a polite approach yourself. nj

    • robpatrob says:

      You say that we are herbivores. Our anatomy shows that we are not. If you look at a gorilla who is, their stomach is quite different from ours. It is many times larger and has a major part designed to ferment plants. Our vestige of this is the appendix. Humans lost this and gained a brain. The only way that this could happen is for us to have eaten food that was more dense in nutrition – meat. And the only way we could do this without looking like a wolf was to use fire to cook it.

      Please have a look at this link on how this happened.

      I do agree about “Factory” meat. Again cows are not designed to eat grain either. By so doing they become ill and their fat becomes high in Omega 6’s rather than 3’s. And of course there are all the ethical issues too.

      But I am seeing a return to pastured meat and with that a natural approach.

    • robert says:

      Your retarded, so why is it most vegans need pills as vitamins and mineral supplements cause they don’t get the nutrients they need from meat. JACKASS

  7. Monika says:

    Truly mind-blowing..thank you so much for posting. What I find incredible is that everything you speak of is something my body has instinctively known all it’s life, as opposed to the idiotic new fads perpetuated by the western world today. Luckily I have followed my body’s instincts but never had the arguments to counter contemporary dietary theory with – now I do. A million thanks!

  8. ike says:

    Maybe you veggies need to eat meat so your brains can develope. Without protien babies brains do not develope.

  9. Patrick Meadows says:

    People, can and have lived solely on meat. Eskimos go months with nothing but whale blubber and fish. Our bidies will produce vitamin c in a ketogenic state. People can not and will not ever be able to sustain a vegetarian diet solely. Without supplementation you become sick. Also without cholesterol coming from food sources your body will over produce, which is why vegetarianism leads to heart disease in a lot of cases, whereas a carnivorous diet has lead to healthier hearts, leaner physics and stronger metabolism. The ideas expressed here about the benefits of vegetarianism is both against nutritional science and real world results. Good have us animals for meat, He even brought fish into the boat. Some animal rights groups would kill humans to give a day off freedom to a furry friend, but take humans out of the picture watch what animals do when not being fed. Stop the vegetarian madness.so natural you need supplements….give me a break.

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